I am sure they would remember talking to us just like we remember talking to them a couple months back…NOT! Casino Party USA has offices nationwide! It was a Monday, so obviously the store was understaffed. Being dropped from 31 hours to 2 hours due to this manger having his girlfriend get 36 hours. Tug O War Vaudeville Acts.
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The few decent hands I had were when I tripped up with a T2, or made a straight because I had a 5 in my hand or something. This game is horrible, and the strategy is worthless. I saw where the casinos are making a killing on this game, and now I know why. That does sound like a rough time.
Were you able to get info from the other players on their hands? That helps shift the odds. The math is right. If you look at my post on possible session outcomes , your probability of losing 80 antes in hands approx. Integrate the area under the green curve from the left to the ante point. But the sample size is, um, quite a bit more than your 3 hour jaunt through a bad run of cards. But it is very near break even, math-wise. At the end of the day it is still called gambling for a reason.
Hung in and got it all back plus a few. I still see players losing money on bets I would have made preflop. So if you get a lot of pushes and a few losses your not winning are you. So, should I bet the Trips bet? Thanx in advance for any responses. Heading to Vegas next week and look forward to partaking this game!
Example — Community cards — ten, ten, ten, king, queen My hand — four, five. Should I play Trips? I wish I played the Trips on my last hand. Love this site as I play UTH very often at my casino. I use to play online poker, but fell in love with UTH and just play that non stop.
I just have a few questions that need to be clarified. Also my new years resolution was to quit playing trips and I did that yesterday. I won in about 1. Shipping every all in I had. Not sure if I am doing the percentages right or not. Any help would be appreciated. The returns are always stated in terms of an Ante, not the total amount of action bet.
Thanks so really for a sucker bet…. Had a ten dollar table heads up and had two different guys who had no clueabout the game come sit down, and play.
When two tables over is a 5 dollar minimum yet they find me. Three out of the four hands I had all ins, and because they jumped in dealer had trips 3 out of 4 times. I could of had a bigger winning session if they didnt jump in, or if I stayed but we all know if you stay long they win eventually. I agree this site is awesome with wizard of ods by far this is the best game in the casino, especially with these resources.
Just to add on to your house edge by dealer screw ups. So I won a quick just off that hand alone! I see mis-pays quite often. It depends on the dealer and the other players if any at the table if I correct the payout.
Most of the time its due to the dealer either not reading their hand right missing a second pair or a straight or going down to six cards instead of stopping at five on a push.
Some dealers really have a problem reading two pair hands when the kicker on the board plays. Tonite, the players convinced the dealer they pushed with an inferior two pair hand. Unbelievable, and very awkward. All the players hold their breath until the dealer mucks the hand.
Stephen, one more follow up question, which way do you go about attacking the game? Or do you just randomly play trips here and there? Hitting trips like 3 out of every 10 hands.
Of course he told me that is where the money is at. I am all about discount gambling. He finnally hit a big hand but was way down still.
Saw a royal at seat six yesterday. Played Pala for an hour and a half on Sunday. I saw a sick hand today Viejas. He pairs his 8 on the turn to make KKK The river is a low blank. He used some expletives for a while. The local casinos are definitely better than the Strip casinos for comps and player rewards. Here in the greater San Diego region, we have a dozen or so casinos.
Maybe you can look into some off-the-strip casinos like the Silverton. They are pretty liberal. They started out asking us but now I ask them after I have played a few hours. You really have to watch the dealers close. I saw too many pushes being raked the other day. Almost as if it was a new house strategy.
I honestly played less then 20 hands. I won 3 hands. Lost about every all in, and really I only won 2 hands but dealer paid out a a hand she had me beat. It was as bad as I ever ran in that game in a long time. If you are getting annoyed with other players ridiculing your play at UTH, ask them if they have ever played heads up poker, or made it to the final table.
Do it with your best game face, and watch how they react. I was pleasantly surprised that, unlike the machines I described in my earlier post, the Blind bet was full-pay even money on a winning straight , making the game identical to a real table. Unfortunately, the Trips paytable was also the worst possible one 7: Some very suspicious bad beats throughout the night. The worst one actually happened twice…I bet 4x on K6 suited.
Another player has pocket sixes the cards are all face up on the machine. The dealer…just happens to have the last remaining six with an Ace kicker. What are the odds? But it was still very disheartening. The best possible Trips paytable 9: Dealer shuffles by hand after each round.
Just a good atmosphere in general: I will be playing there March th for March Madness. Hey guys, a heads up for those in San Diego. I just got an mailer from Barona and inside it me said due to popular demand, Ultimate Texas Hold-em will be added to the chipless roster.
Not sure when it will be, but I will for sure keep an eye out. Now there really in a reason for me to go to Viejas, other than the buster Blackjack bet. I went to Pala for the first time this week. I have never seen such conservative players and it was all encouraged by this smarmy little twit dealer. I had players sit down next to me and ask me to give guidance on what hands to be betting. The entire table would roll their eyes at me and basically call me crazy for playing hands pre-flop like K-J os, A-J, and even A-K.
I kept telling him he was wrong, but unfortunately every damned time I would bet with a nice pre-flop betting hand I would get cracked. Seriously, some of these dealers need to shut their mouths sometimes. There are several traits I hate in a dealer, but the worst is fishing for tips. Otherwise known as slow-rolling which would get you a punch in the mouth at some cash games. And an example of a trait that is excellent for a dealer. At Pala, there was one dealer who was very sloppy pulling the board cards, players cards and her own cards out.
Several times I could see the first card of the board as well as at least one of her cards which is kind of important since at Pala all cards are out before you even look at your hand and make a decision. What do they think? That people reads hands as poorly as they do?
Its my decision to expose my cards to the table, not the dealers. The tables above say you can call a paired scare board with nut kicker, but on an unpaired scare board, you need at least bottom pair with 4th nut kicker. I just finished training as a dealer, and will do my best to not do any of these oddities. Some of the dealers are starting to recognize that I last a lot longer on a buy in than most even if I do lose it. Lately some have even told newbies to ask me to help them.
I shrug my shoulders whether I win or lose. Just wondering if anyone knows the odds for these three hands with all 5 cards being shown plus your two cards….
The odds to make these not be put on the board. Royal Flush Straight Flush Quads. You were 2nd seat and I was playing 1st seat two asian guys. We were talking about playing x4 preflop strategy from this blog and you told us you were Stephen and is the blogger.
Love this game, but usually lose until last September after reading up on the strategy. The dealer had straight flush with 9h.
Of course I remember you guys! Keep teaching them how to play up there in Seattle! Are we taking nominations for the most annoying UTH dealer?
If so, mine is an Asian male at Encore who opens the hands of every player once they play or fold, and offers commentary—usually wrong, by the way—about their decisions. I played about 10 minutes before giving up and walking over to Wynn. They dummy up and hand out the cards. My vote would go to a dealer at the Showboat in AC who openly scolded me for following the strategy.
I want you to win, my friend! Dummy up and deal needs to be the standard for all dealers. Chatty dealers may get new idiots to play the game, but they drive away the players who would play for much longer.
Casinos need to tell their dealers to shut the hell up unless the player is actively speaking to them. As you mentioned above, many of the dealers feel they know they game better than the players because they deal it, when in fact they only know how to pay it and scoop it.
But you could see their interest was piqued as I ground out more wins than loses with those. People were slow to catch on to sharing info, but I found a few and, as usual, it helped avoid disasters like avoiding 4x pocket QQ because the players to either side of me each had a Q—that got a double-take from the dealer! You are correct in hindsight.
It is a strong enough hand that it would be worth the bet without the chance to improve. But I was in one of those slow patches and feeling a little over conservative. As always used the optimal betting method nearly all of the time and was rocking it when I did. I lost count, but at one point, I had won 18 of 23 hands where I bet max pre-flop. Did run into one annoying situation there though. The floor manager started taking notice of my success and became almost harassing.
He decided he was going to stand directly over my shoulder since I was in the first spot and never take his eyes off of me. When he took breaks, he would whisper to the other floor managers and point at me…and sure enough they did the same thing. It was obnoxious, harassing and unwarranted.
Just to piss them off I try to grab my entire stack and head to the cashier without coloring up. You should really go ten miles down the road to Harrahs. Almost all the dealers and table game supervisors are very friendly. They WANT you to win. If your not winning they are not getting tokes. Seriously, you definitely need to check out Pauma. They actually have reasonable salads back there. The 2-for-1 prime rib is a great deal, and the mini-pizzas are really good.
And Tom, you can drink there too. Usually, they have a few dealers standing dead in the mornings. Having a fantastic last week and a half.
I have never seen such pissed off floor managers in my life. Eat it you two-faced dregs. I found your website through the Wizard of Odds. It paid off as a Royal. I have a screen shot I could send you.
Since purple is my largest chip, the payoff went off the screen. Stephen, I may be wrong, but I think he was pointing out a mistake in your game, not bragging about his score. He said he got a K-9 straight flush and it paid like a Royal. Thanks, easy to check out. The Blind paytable also pays out 50 correctly. If you still have the screenshot, please send it to me. I played UTH for the first time last week at a casino and I must say I fell in love with this game very quickly.
I practiced with your trainer app couple of times excellent app by the way! Did you program your app to be an one on one game me vs dealer or did you consider there are other players in the game as well? Thanks for the feedback. Of course that only happens some of the time, and its up to you to find out if you want an edge. For example, my post on practical collusion for UTH shows if you have a marginal 4x raising hand like K5o, you should definitely check at least your left and right neighbors if they have either a King or a 5.
On the other hand, if they have either a King or a 5, you should check, since a 4x raise is at a So, you should learn about using table information, and embrace the additional players at the table. The effect is the same as if the dealer had cut the deck differently. These people are at Eldorado Casino, Reno. Yes, UTH has to be the table game with the highest percentage of dealer mistakes.
Think I found another bug…was dealt 2s2d and checked. Thanks, found the bug. I fixed it, and another one that bothered me needed to play the board on something like AKQ I taught my wife the basic strategy to the game as well as the simple pre-flop betting strategy and we played a total of 5 sessions each.
Yup, my wife hit the heart royal on the turn after playing less than 5 hours. Needless to say, we were very happy. Saw only one quad the whole time, but a fair amount of flushes, full houses and straights. I would also say that there was not a single player on the boat besides my wife and I who won nor played proper strategy. Most players would only play suited face cards or pocket pairs around 8 or higher. No one played Ace-anything besides us.
Thanks Stephen, for your lessons. I was shocked and excited, but at the same time nervous because I knew that it was very likely that i would play it while waiting for my seat and it would be very likely that i could lose a good chunk of my bankroll for the day.
I noticed another difference between the game at the Lake compared to the other casinos I have been to…they let you play 2 hands at the Lake. The second hand has to be played blind, so you have to go all-in 3x or 4x and you do not get to see the hole cards for the second hand. Just got back from Vegas and after 4 days was up over 15K. I was truly amazed that almost no one played near as aggressive as I did. So I finally dealt the game at Pala.
Oddly enough, all of the dealers at Pauma understand the 4x preflop raising strategy. At Viejas, about half of the dealers understand 4x raising, and the rest are ambivalent. But then again, from what I remember, some of those dealers seem extremely set in their views. Probably because its vegas, I did get free rooms and they gave me another night free. I love the MGM…just wish my luck was better. When a hand came up where I had trips I would take away what I would have won from that stack.
Players questioned me on what I was doing and I explained. Went to Mississippi stud for a sesision and came back. Several players had stopped betting trips. Second session was short. Dealer dealt himself two straights in a row a boat and trips. After that I caught rags four hands in a row. Back to Mississippi Stud. Thank you for creating your practice simulator this is exactly what I have been looking for!
I have been playing basic strategy for this game for about 3 years now. I did notice that your flash app does not have the extra player option to use collusion play in your simulation. Would you be able to add this feature to the flash app or keep your java app available? Also I wloud love to be able to download the java app for this to be able to practice when I am off line. Thanks again for providing this simulation it is a great help! Is this correct, or just a bug? Yeah, double gutshot is the same as open-ended 8 outs , and both your hole cards are greater than 8.
When playing the player must bet the ante and the blind bet. This is an automatic disadvantage bet the player must make in order to play the game. Therefore and strategy for this game is used to determine when to bet the play bet and only the play bet.
I stress occurring hands because not each hand has the same odds of being dealt. Basically this is an average percentage for all possible situations and hand outcomes. I did not create this chart I found a few on various websites and compared them to validate.
As we get closer to a negative percentage the Cumulative Occurance of Optimal x4 bet hands reaches All the game rules are taken into account in the analysis using a customized program. All the effects of the Blind and Ante bet are taken into account in the 4x Play bet decision. However, the hands you point out are very strong, and you should 4x raise them at a full table when not copied.
Personally, since most tables in Vegas pay the last or a pay structure 3. As Badbucks says, check the return on the Trips paytable. In San Diego, we mostly have the 1. In Las Vegas, the most common paytable is 3. At my local Barona Casino, they offer the best 0.
Is there a math here? If someone else can dispute this, please feel free to do so. Thanks for the math. Has anyone played at the Cosmopolitan? Trips or no trips, etc. I think they have 2 tables there. U can expect huge swings in your bankroll by playing by the book. I normally buy in for 50 times my normal ante bet amount, but lately, I am beginning to feel that is not enough to whether the swings. If u play the trips bet, just be aware that if u r running bad, u will easily bleed through your whole buy in from losing the trips bets.
If u r running good then just run with it. As far as the cosmos goes, the dealers r pleasant and the atmosphere is like a huge martini bar…lots of young people and lots of energy in the casino. They are really stingy. I do not play trips. Totally agree regarding CET comps. I was able to stay for free during CES earlier this year and i have already booked a room for free during CES for No blackouts, weekends ok, and no resort fees. I think CET and treasure island comps are a couple of the easiest to get from the strip, although mLife seems to be doling out frequent room comps too.
They tend to comp better than most in the area as far as I can tell. Just wish they would put inanother Mississippi Stud table. Tom, I totally agree.
Pechanga has treated me fairly well too when I ask for comps. Pala is the absolute worst of the three. I have asked for a buffet twice after playing for 3 to 4 hours, making 10 and 15 dollar ante bets, and both times I was rejected. I quit asking for food comps at pala…I just go in, play my game and leave. Unbelievable and maddening day at Pala yesterday. I had been playing for a long time in the first spot and had been going through a rough stretch.
Table was full except for seat two. I thought about moving several times, but I stayed put. A woman comes up and takes seat two. Table pauses for a half an hour while they get her paid. I go back in seat three and play for an hour. Table is full except for seat one. Dealer decides to rearrange the chips, alowing a woman to come up and take spot one. RK, I defenitely feel your pain from that session, except for missing out on the royal flush twice.
I have yet to see a royal flush except for when the dealer dealt one to herself. Lately, I have been sitting in the wrong seat at the wrong time consistently. One of my recent sessions, at a full table, I was the only player to not have a flush or full house when there is 4 to a flush, 2 pair, or trips on the board. This happened about 5 times during the session. I was running so bad, I reduced my betting from 25 ante to 5 ante and moved seats…no change in luck. Sometimes, the best thing for us is to just pick up our chips and take a break.
The Pala dealers except for vgMega drive me nuts, and so do the players. They leave after a few bad beats, then they come back if they see or hear someone winning. On the other hand, it has some charm as a small, local casino. The dealers at Pala are not great. He had his mind made up that k-3 was better than a-k.
Surprisingly he was losing and losing. Oh boy, Your right about Charlie and John. They mean well, but they can come off in a bad way. I wish I could deal that game myself a lot more, but they are set in their ways on who deals what, especially in the Carnival pit. And your right about comps…. BTW, if you guys have any questions about procedure, ask away! It was a promotion they were running. I asked for a comp a while back and they said they stopped it because players were taking advantage of it.
It seems some supervisors were comping for Fiores too much. Actually got a call from the casino director and had a nice chat. They may brinhg it back with some restrictions. Stephen,If you knew one of the flop cards,would this change basic strategy in Ultimate texas holdem?
Obviously if you knew you would pair up you probably would bet,but say you have k5 or q8 and now since you only have four unknown cards to match yours would you still bet 4x on these hands or other close plays like jt.
Went to Pala today…i know…why would i do that? You really should drive past Pala, and go to Casino Pauma. There are self-proclaimed BJ and Craps professional gamblers. Could one turn pro playing UTH? I am looking for a career after retirement.
This may be it. If trips came up I removed that amount from the stack and so on. The suits hung around the table a lot…i mean a lot! I will definitely go back there again! Hi I am confused by the statement and example on the flop. The flop is 3d9dKd.
You have no flush or straight draw, so you check. Went back to Spa Resort yesterday and was stuck for 2 buy-ins for most of the session. I was playing with another player at the table at first and then mostly one on one. The only stipulation with playing two hands is that you have to play one of them blind. Usual raised eyebrows and smirks at my playing style.
A few possible converts. A player was in seat 5 and as I started to sit in seat 4 he moved over. First hand I hit a flush.
He got ticked and said I was stupid for not playing trips. He lost about 2K and kept dropping his trip bet. I made 3 trip bets for the session dealer change card change etc and won 2 of 3. I heard him telling the other players how I count as I left See my post above for explanation.
Holy California card craps! I have done the exact same chip tracking you do, but stopped after a few sessions because as i got deeper into my session, the chips migrated into the tracking stack and i had to keep using those chips and it got confusing real fast. I will probably head to Rincon next friday to play some, although i have not had much luck there recently.
I will probably check out Pauma too, on my way home. He left shortly after I sat down. Went to Vegas for the weekend. Very difficult to find UTH tables. There were a lot of WSOP Hold-Em tables, watched for a few minutes and it appeared to be even money payouts on everything saw a full house and a flush while I was watching. Played one short UTH session at Paris. Not enough light above the tables.
One dealer held the cards near his chin hand dealt game and flipped the cards across the table. Twice players had to pick them up off the floor. Had three hands in a 20 minute period he started to rake my chips and I had put my hand down on top of his to get his attention to point out that my flush beat his two pair.
Very bright table games area, lots of loud music for the go-go dancer in the pit. My wife who usually plays blackjack sat in for half an hour and caught quads. They were doing okay to start with but the cards turned ugly and one looked to be near tears after a very long losing streak from where I was at 3-card looked like one lost 8 hands in a row, won 2, then lost 6 more.
Paris has UTH now? PH, Cosmo, Mirage, and Wynn were my favorites as far as atmosphere and energy at the tables and casino. Ballys had one UTH table. Flamingo best for mispaying people…though in my last session they narrowed down the amount of dealers running hte game so it was better.
Was in Vegas this past week. Ann low key and pleasant to play at. Freaking people out with 4x bets on any ace or small pairs, let alone the K, Q and J bets. Had more losing sessions than winning, unfortunately. A couple of starts with 6, 7, 8 losing hands in a row. But ended the trip on an up note, playing my last hands before I had to leave for the airport, I hit back to back full houses playing trips to double my money on the last session.
Just got back from Lake Tahoe and Harrahs has it for 5 min. Had 3 sessions, all winning. Its amazing how people get killed playing the bonus.
Of probably 20 or so people I played with, I was the only one using this strategy. One lady hit quads playing the 10 on the bonus every hand and was broke in an hour. Thanks for the site as I practiced for a week and it paid off in Tahoe. People going broke because of trip bets. Sat down for a session just before it was time to meet my wife.
Does anyone have a time limit or goal to win in each session? I started playing 3 months ago and developed a hit and run strategy. It seems like when I played for hours in a row I would only get up about 12xx avg bet of course not playing trips and using basic strategy. Now I just try to hit and run being hapy with winning x avg bet and moving on to play it at the next casino or just taking a short break and coming back.
Also, buy in amounts, based on avg bet? I usually am buying in for 20x avg bet, might be a little light since i have gone through it a few times.
Whats your worst losing streak? I book wins constantly and would like to move up. WHat is your bankroll amount per bet? By bets I assume you are referring to the size of your ante bet. I allot ante bets per session. Right now I play 25 ante and 15 on the trips, so for a session, I cap my losses at …believe me, the swings will take you to the cap if you run into a cold streak. This is a casino game, so walking out even or slightly down is a good thing.
This does not happen often though, it is usually up or down a sizeable amount. Leaving up one ante per hour usually means you had a rough session and just happened to get some back plus a little. So, shoot for one ante per hour and your bothers wins will be even more exciting and your losing sessions will be expected, since it is a casino game.
One thing I never do, no matter how much I am winning…I never leave when I am hot. Why do gamblers leave on a hot streak but keep playing and keep playing bigger when they are on a cold streak?
Bankroll management like I use will not make u a winner…it will only let you play the game longer. I am net down since playing this game. I like many others started playing this game and was winning almost effortlessly and thought this game was a money tree…WRONG!
This game can bite you in the ass hard and to play perfect strategy, I believe you need a deep bankroll for the limit you play. Adjust your bet size to your bankroll. I have lost within the first 10 minutes of playing on several occassions.
The swings in this game can be brutal and that is part of what makes the game exciting. Play this game for fun, not for expectations of making money. If you want to make money consistently, play real poker. I used to only play real poker, but now I play this all the time because it is more fun, plus the interaction with the players is more exciting…for the most part. If there are gramatical errors, well, so I suck at grammer…lol.
One ante bet per hour? That can not be correct? If its 4 hands then I walk…. Under Promise Over Deliver. If i make one ante per hour great, i walk away a winner. If i make beyond it, then I feel i had a good session. I think everyones goals and expectations of win rates will vary greatly. Given that it is a casino game, excluding any comps, you are expected to lose money on this game, so breaking even is good. This is an addictive game.
Do you think that it might be possible to even beat the casino and gain a small edge if you are allowed to look at the other players cards all the time? This way you have a lot of info about your outs, especially on the river….
I do not believe seeing the other players cards all the time is enough to beat the house. The problem is that you are always wagering more than you win, excluding bonus hands. I believe this game will always be a house-edge game, excluding player comps, unless you can see the dealer cards. Some casinos, like Barona, deal the game with all players cards face up, so it must still be house-edge for them to do that.
I have been wondering if team play may add some value to this game though. I have only done this for 3 sessions there, and so far it seems to work ok, except one time i got quads on my second hand which happened to be my first spot hand , which would have been my bigger bet hand if i did not play two hands.
The Spa lets you play the second hand on either side of your actual hand, whereas most other casinos make you play the actual second hand blind. I have played two hands several times at Barona without having to play either one blind. KNowing other cards is very valuable. It may not always be useful per each hand but at times it will help you save a bet or gain a bet.
IF you are playing with 5 other people and nobody has a duece and you have two of them, even though the book says not to bet 4x, you now should since you know 10 cards so the odds of hitting your set are much higher…. Anyone know of website that has a list that has UTH? I am curious if any casinos in WV have it? As far as I know on the east coast…. ANyone know anywhere else that has it? Guys, I think you can benefit from seeing other players cards.
Especially on the river. You can count the outs that the dealer has. We just have to make more calculations…. Start with , if you win, then , if you win then Then back to regardless of the result of the hand to protect profits. I was betting it but seldom because I was trying to save chips and was already dejected by my cash game result. Thank you guys for the discussion.
I try to tip at the end of a session. The dealer knows if your ahead or behind. Percentage is up to you. If you are a regular you will see that a toke when you leave even if your losing reflects in the dealers attitude toward you next visit.
I am trying to find out what it takes to get a free room playing UTH. Is anyone getting comped rooms at the Wynn, or Caesars.? Feels like M Life has turned very stingy.
I have never played at Venetian. I looked for it last January but could not find it there. Vegas still might be feeling the crunch, so comps may still be relatively easy to come by. I actually find M-life to be comp friendly. I have been getting offers year round from M-life and have only had time to take advantage of it once this year at the Mirage. I had a comp room booked for Bellagio earlier this month, but had to cancel.
Wynn seems to be pretty comp-friendly lately as well. I only played there for maybe an hour tops, while waiting for the Le Reve show, during my last trip.
They used to, but too many players are actually playing that bet at a positive EV. I went next door to the Wynn and got the same story. Having a real bad run of luck. Wife does the same plus slots. Never hear a jackpot on slots announced any more. They have the machines so tight they are embarrassed to announce the few winners.
This is the closest casino to me that has my games so I am stuck. Marketing should be giving MORE comps to keep people coming. At least the staff there are friendly. Still mostly at Pechanga. Saturday I got trips jacks on 3 card then community quads kings then a solo set of quads deuces on UTH.
Wife wanted to hit Pala so was there for a bit on Sunday. Really slows down the play as the dealers try to hit the sweet spot with the dollar chips to light up the red dots.
Here is something to think about.. I played 15, hands of UTH on the practice game on this site. I never hit a royal flush. I grouped the results by hands to approximate 9 to 10 hours of play. If There was a winning royal flush, the loss rate would have been -. There were almost two losing sessions to every win session.
I do not know how many hours I played this past trip, but it must have been somewhere around hours in 4days, spread over a dozen or so sessions at several different casinos. I mostly played quarter ante, sometimes 50, if the cards were running good and the dealer was hitting air.
I recovered all the losses on the second day without any huge hands, just good run of cards. Although, I do play 15 on the trips most of the time, unless I am just running really cold. Been dealing the game a bit more now at Pala. Gave out some decent hands and tried giving advice on the preflop bets. Got a few converts on betting preflop with ace and mid pairs. Anyone going to be in vegas in January?
It seems Venetian is rating the game like MGM…2x ante, plus trips. I played at Cosmopolitan this week and the pit told me they rate UTH as 3x ante, plus trips bet, which seems like a much favorable rating. I do not know what is needed to get comp rooms, but I stayed free through a casino marketing offer.
Vegas is hurting, so I feel the casino marketing comps have been getting better for little players like me. I will be staying at Wynn and Harrahs next week for SHOT show and will ask the pit what kind of play is needed for room comps. I can confidently say, I played very little in some of these casinos, prior to getting these free room offers.
Maybe Vegas does the same thing with free room offers. Mike, have you ever played blackjack. I also play hour sessions and go through 3K to 6K session swings, and I am starting to think that BJ may offer a better return and comps.
Curious what you and others think. I only play BJ occasionally, usually when I am with friends and we all want to play something together.
Oddly, I get scared playing BJ with quarters, but have no problem playing quarters and black chips on the play bet in UTH. Personally, I think the comps should be better for UTH, and I think for players who play by the strategy get short-changed with the rating system because we raise so often pre-flop, yet that 4 times bet is almost meaningless in the rating system.
Cosmo will at least rate at 3x the ante, plus the trips, so you will always at least get rated as if you called the river on every hand, but other casinos as you have found out only count the initial chips wagered to see the hole cards.
On a side note, at what level should a player consider asking for a host? I had cleaned it out prior to playing by eating at Noodles, in Bellagio, prior to that session, so I assume I was at zero express comp dollars at the time I started at MGM. Was anyone here playing at MGM Grand last night? I was at a table with some serious players…strategy and wagering. I played at Bellagio last month and also tracked my express points.
That has been working fine. It was the end table…very hard to see because it does not have the tall signage. Comps are still pretty good IF they know you. Playing mostly Mississipi and UTH. UTH is a slow winning process but I do pretty good by betting the 4 times when i should. I have been playing the trip bet lately and it seems like it might be a wash. Lost out on some good pays when the cards were coming.
I quit BJ as I never know when to up my bet. Is anyone aware of any other They have two tables now; in the far end of the pit closest to the Strip entrance. Not the party pit. Got back from my second 5 days trip to Vegas. Floated the second day and then went on a winning streak thurs and fri.
All my bets were quarter ante, except for a handful at 50…one of which being the second straight flush hand. Trips bets varied from 15 to 25, and sometimes none at all…luckily all my big trips hits had a bet on it. Of all the places I played, I definitely like Cosmo and mirage the best…friendliness of dealers and pit, as well as atmosphere.
Cosmo also has the best rating system for the game…3x ante plus trips. Tropicana has the worst rating…ante plus trips. Everyone else rates it at 2x ante plus trips. I know it is to cover their ass, but it was getting kind of ridiculous. I wanted to play at bellagio, but they only have one table now and it was constantly full, so I never got the chance. Bellagio has my favorite dealer of all time…a guy named Pierre…funniest dealer I have ever had…unfortunately, he only works graveyard shift now.
They were constantly making errors…favoring the house, nonetheless! If you play there, you need to pay attention! So many hands, the dealer raked in players chips thinking they had losing hands, when they really had winning hands. The dealers were mucking the community cards too before paying trips bets. Super incompetent and rude dealers there. Play at your own risk at PH! You mentioned you play BJ, so thought I might share this with you.. Although, you may already know.
While plying at Encore, a lady at my table was telling me I should play the black chip BJ tables there. Apparently, the dealer has to hit soft 17s on those tables. I forgot if they were single deck or not. You probably already know who has the better BJ games, but I figured I would throw Encore out there since that lady was raving about it.
Mike, thanks for the report. I stopped in at Ballys late Dec. BTW, my observations were identical to what you wrote. I was so annoyed at PH that I cancelled my credit line and asked to be taken off the mailing list. In fact 12 of 16 states in the united federal republic have lowered the minimum from 21 to An unusual age restriction: New South Wales, Australia: An individual must be at least 19 to enter or gamble in a casino, and casinos are prohibited from advertising that "is specifically directed at encouraging individuals under nineteen 19 years of age to play games of chance in a casino.
Casinos are open to foreigner over 18 years old, but Portuguese nationals are barred unless they are over 21 and in some casinos over No one under 18 years old may enter a casino. It is against the law to sell a lottery ticket to anyone under Minors, under 18, may not legally gamble.
Casinos, on their own, have imposed a policy of not allowing minors on the main casino areas, though they may, if accompanied by an adult, be in other gaming areas. South Dakota 18 18 21? A question mark "? A number with a question mark means there is a state limit, but it is unclear whether it applies. This is usually the case with Indian gaming, where tribes are often free to set their own limits. An adult who bets with a minor commits a misdemeanor.
According to the Commentary section entitled "Relationship to Existing Law," the Criminal Code was amended 30 years ago to leave "such subjects as adults gambling with minors to other controls such as the juvenile laws. Religious activists won an upset victory in November , making Alabama only the third state this century to fail to vote in a state lottery.
Previously, the minimum age for betting at horse and greyhound racetracks was 18 in some counties, 19 in others: Greene and Mobile — 18, Birmingham and Macon — Association of Racing Commissioners International, Inc. Nonprofit organizations can run bingo games for charitable or educational purposes. The state has separate statutes for various counties and at least one city.
All set the minimum playing age as well as the minimum age for conducting or assisting bingo at 19; however, there is no age limit for children accompanied by their parents.
Alaska has been considering allowing casino gambling on cruise ships between ports in the state, during the course of an international voyage. State statutes set the minimum age for bingo at 19, but the age for pull-tabs was raised from 19 to 21 on June 26, Arizona is the only state attempting to implement a comprehensive plan for dealing with the minimum age for gambling. On March 14, , House Bill "H. It is a misdemeanor to sell a lottery ticket to anyone under 18 raised to 21 on June 1, Before the passage of H.
Section contains a prohibition: Charities can operate casino nights. The state has entered into compacts with many tribes, authorizing the operation of slot machines and nonbanked, revolving deal, card games, primarily poker. The minimum age for Indian casinos in Arizona is 18 as of the date this is written. However, the compacts begin expiring in , so the Governor is negotiating to raise the gambling age to 21 in all tribal casinos, pursuant to the mandate of the State Legislature that all "tribal-state gaming compacts shall prohibit persons under twenty-one years of age from wagering on gaming activities.
At present, there is no statutory minimum age; however, the Bingo Section of the Department of Revenue has issued this rule: Like every other form of gambling, the minimum age will be 21 beginning on June 1, , pursuant to H. The dog-racing counterpart prohibits employing a minor or allowing "any minor to be a patron at the racetrack. California has a complete set of restrictions, typical of the state lotteries that have addressed youth gambling:.
Any person who knowingly sells a ticket or share in a Lottery Game to a person under the age of 18 years is guilty of a misdemeanor. Any person under the age of 18 years who buys a ticket or share in a Lottery is guilty of a misdemeanor. In the case of Lottery tickets or shares sold by Lottery Game Retailers or their employees, these persons shall establish safeguards to assure that the sales are not made to persons under the age of 18 years.
In the case of the dispensing of tickets or shares by vending machines or other devices, the Commission shall establish safeguards to help assure that the vending machines or devices are not operated by persons under the age of 18 years.
All tickets or shares in Lottery Games shall include, and any devices which dispense tickets or shares in Lottery Games shall have posted in a conspicuous place thereupon, a notice which declares that state law prohibits the selling of a Lottery ticket or share to, and the payment of any prize to, a person under the age of 18 years.
The age limit of 18 for horse races was established by regulations of the Racing Control Board, not by the legislature in a statute. On March 7, , voters approved Proposition 1A, amending the State Constitution, to allow federally recognized Indian tribes to have a monopoly on full casinos banking card games, like blackjack, and all forms of slot machines.
Patrons have to be over 21 only if alcohol is served at the gaming tables and slot machines. Tribes are free to place higher age limits on its patrons and employees, and can change the age limits whenever they wish. California law also allows cities and counties the local option of licensing gaming clubs, limited to nonbanked table games, without slot machines.
There are more than gaming clubs operating throughout the state; most age limits appear to be Minors currently those under age 18 are not allowed to participate in bingo games. However, it permits the receipt of a lottery ticket given as a gift to a person under The difference can be significant: Colorado has also signed compacts with two Indian tribes.
The age limit for casinos is Both the minor and the casino would be committing misdemeanors. If the child is under 18, the adult can also be prosecuted for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Employees may be under State law prohibits anyone under 18 from playing bingo or buying pull-tabs. However, it also allows anyone 14 or older to "assist in the conduct of bingo or pull- tabs.
Tribally owned Foxwoods is probably the largest casino in the world. Games are limited to players over Any person who violates the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor.
A minor may receive a lottery ticket as a gift. Connecticut allows betting on jai alai, as well as on racing. Connecticut not only bars anyone under 18 from betting, but also prohibits "the presence of any minor under the age of 18 being present in any room, office, building or establishment when off-track betting takes place.
Charity "Las Vegas Nights" are limited to patrons over The state prohibits anyone under 16 from even being present in a room where gambling is taking place. Connecticut has signed compacts with two Indian tribes, and more are seeking federal recognition. The Mashantucket Pequot Tribe apparently felt that 18 was too young, and put its age limit at In its "Sealed tickets" statute, Connecticut prohibits the sale to any person less than 18 years of age.
Delaware has one of the strongest set of restrictions of any State Lottery: It locked its year-old age limit into the state constitution. However, state statutes, while prohibiting the sale of lottery tickets to persons under 18, expressly allow the purchase of a ticket for the purpose of making a gift by a person 18 years of age or older to a person less than that age.
Parimutuel betting and slot machines: While racetracks appear to put the limit at age 18, the state recently amended its laws to allow video lottery machines in racetracks, with an age limit of A person has to be 18 or over to participate in any charitable gambling, the prize for which is money; yet anyone over 16 may participate in bingo and other charitable games. This must limit year-olds and year-olds to games where prizes are merchandise.
Limited to players over 18, but the Lottery will pay minors who win prizes. The minimum age to participate as well to be present is 18, but minors under 18 may be present if accompanied by an adult. Minors under age 18 are prohibited from purchasing lottery tickets. Florida has not only dog and horse tracks, but also jai alai.
State statutes prohibit wagering by a person under the age of 18 but permit admittance if the minor is accompanied by a parent or legal guardian.
State law prevents anyone under 18 from being allowed to play any bingo game or be involved in the conduct of a bingo game in any way. Age limits at tribal casinos and cruises to nowhere casino games opened in international waters, three miles out in the Atlantic, 12 miles in the Gulf of Mexico , are up to the operators.
The state legislature has enacted a unique law creating civil liability along with the more common criminal punishments. State statutes not only prohibit anyone under 18 from buying lottery tickets but also require conspicuous labels, prohibiting minors from using any electronic or mechanical devices related to the lottery. State law allows a person under 18 to play bingo if accompanied by an adult.
Hawaii, Tennesse and Utah are the only states that have not legalized some form of commercial gambling. Hawaii, like many other states, does allow "social gambling" -- the minimum age is The Legislature has been considering allowing casino gambling, either in selected areas or on cruise ships.
Lottery" was discontinued after adverse court decisions. Minors are prohibited from using the parimutuel system.
The Idaho State Racing Commission promulgated rules expounding the restriction: Therefore, children under 18 may play bingo for money for smaller prizes.
Age limits at tribal casinos not known. Other tribes are protesting, because they did not agree to this test case. Illinois is unique in defining a minor at least under the horse-racing statutes as "any individual under the age of 17 years. The state also makes a distinction between casino gambling run by charities -- age 18 -- and casino gambling run for profit on riverboats -- age In the State Legislature made it more difficult for anyone under 18 to play the State Lottery.
It repealed a statute which had allowed adults to purchase tickets as gifts for children, and added a provision forbidding payment of prizes to minors under Selling a ticket to anyone under the age of 18 is a Class B misdemeanor for the first offense, a Class 4 felony for subsequent violations.
A minor who buys a lottery ticket is guilty of a petty offense. Minors defined as those under 17 are forbidden from being admitted as a patron during a racing program unless accompanied by a parent or guardian. Exceptions are made for employees, licensees, owners, trainers, jockeys, or drivers.
The state has both riverboat and charity casinos. The state Riverboat Gambling Act prohibits any person under 21 from even being permitted on an area of a riverboat where gambling is being conducted.
A riverboat casino operator was fined and a guard fired for allowing a mother with her infant in a baby carriage onboard. It is a Class B misdemeanor to permit "a person under 21 years to make a wager. An exception is made for employees, but workers must be at least 21 to perform any function involved in gambling.
Illinois charitable casinos do a multimillion dollar business. The "Charitable Games Act" allows the following games: Unlike for-profit riverboat casinos, charity casinos are open to anyone over Minimum age for bingo and pull-tabs is In fact, persons under 18 may not be in the area where bingo is being played unless accompanied by a parent or guardian. Minimum age is Prizes may not be paid to anyone under 18, unless the ticket was received as a gift.
Minimum age to bet seems to be always 18, although the law sets slightly different ages for being present at tracks and OTB outlets. Minimum age to work at a racetrack is 16, but the racing commission can license even younger children who are working for their parent or legal guardian.
Indiana has riverboat gambling; the current controversy is whether the boats actually have to sail. Anyone under 21 is prohibited from being in the area of a riverboat where gambling is being conducted; although, the minimum age for an occupational license is Players must be 18 or older. Iowa may have more forms of legal gambling than any state, other than Nevada -- everything from bingo and amusement games to casinos and sports pools.
Most are low-stakes and limited to players over 21; but not all. Iowa raised the minimum age from 18 to 21 in Present law prohibits the sale of a lottery ticket to persons under the age of 21, but allows adults to buy tickets for them as gifts. As for the minor: Iowa raised the minimum age here as well, from 18 to 21, in Permitting a person under 21 to make a parimutuel wager is a simple misdemeanor.
In riverboat casinos became the first area where Iowa raised the minimum gambling age from 18 to It is against the law for a licensee to knowingly allow a minor to participate in gambling, or even to be in the area of the excursion boat where gambling is being conducted, unless the minor is an employee 18 years or older. Indian tribes assert they are not bound by this state law and one lowered the minimum age to 18 in The minimum age for low stakes social gambling, including card games and sports pools, was raised from 18 to 21 in Iowa makes some specific exemptions to its general prohibition on gambling by anyone under Charitable gambling, bingo and raffles, has no age limits.
The Iowa State Lottery, but not charities, can sell pull-tabs; legal age is The general law of Kansas defines a minor as "a person under 21 years of age," yet the lower age of 18 is used for both legal and illegal gambling statutes. Kansas goes further than most states in preventing children from participating in the State Lottery. Besides the usual restriction that licensees must be at least 18, the state legislature has prohibited the Kansas lottery from "recruiting for employment or as a volunteer any person under 18 years of age for the purpose of appearing, being heard or being quoted in any advertising or promotion of any lottery in any electronic or print media.
The legislature put the same ban on the Kansas racing commission, prohibiting the use of children in commercials. It is a crime to sell a parimutuel ticket to a person knowing such person to be under 18 years of age. Those under 18 are also specifically barred from buying tickets.
The state is in the middle of a protracted fight over Indian casinos. The minimum age limit of 18 is required to participate in the management, operation or conduct of any game of bingo. This would appear to put the minimum age at 18 to work in a bingo hall, but no age limit is placed on patrons. It is a violation to knowingly sell a lottery ticket to someone under 18 and a misdemeanor to do it a second time.
This would not prohibit adults from buying lottery tickets for minors. Although Kentucky statutes dealing with age limits do not expressly mention parimutuel wagers, the state places an age restriction of 18 on all similar activities except drinking ; therefore, it is safe to assume that it is illegal for anyone under 18 to bet at racetracks. Kentucky has a "Charitable Gaming" Act, which controls bingo games. The age limit is A charitable organization may permit persons under 18 to play bingo if they are accompanied by a parent or legal guardian and if only non-cash prizes are awarded.
The latest state to raise the minimum age for some forms of gambling. A year-old and the owner of a bar with video poker machines filed suit in January , claiming the new law violates the state constitution. The argument had some merit, because year-olds are legally adults in Louisiana, and the state has the strongest provision found in any state constitution against age discrimination.
But, on January 29, , a majority of the Supreme Court of Louisiana held it was not unconstitutional to prohibit , and year-old adults from participating is some forms of legal gambling. The Court looked to its precedent from five years earlier, where it upheld raising the drinking age from 18 to 21 to protect both the young adults and society. State , WL Case No. Louisiana has everything except sports betting: Riverboat casinos, two Indian casinos, America's first urban land-based casino in New Orleans, video poker machines in many parishes, with large numbers at truckstops and racetracks, electronic bingo machines, parimutuel betting and a State Lottery.
Anyone six or above may, with the permission of the racing association, be allowed to attend any race meeting if accompanied by a parent, grandparent, or legal guardian, but minors are never allowed to engage in wagering.
Applicants for licensure as a jockey, etc. Because "minor" is defined as anyone under 18, that is the minimum age for parimutuel betting.
Casinos and slot machines: In all cases, underage patrons cannot collect; winnings are paid to the state. Punishments vary; the video poker law adds an additional penalty if the patron is under 15; but, the most dramatic differences are the ability of an operator to raise a "good faith" "I thought he was over 21" defense.
Any licensee, employee, or other person who intentionally violates or permits the violation of any of the provisions of this Section may be imprisoned for not more than six months or fined not more than five hundred dollars, or both. In any prosecution or other proceeding for the violation of any of the provisions of this Section, it shall be no defense that the licensee, employee, or other person believed the person to be twenty-one years old or over.
Any casino operator, licensee, or other person who intentionally violates or permits the violation of any of the provisions of this Section and any person under twenty-one years of age who violates any of the provisions of this Section may be punished by imprisonment of up to six months or a fine of up to one thousand dollars, or both.
In any prosecution or other proceeding for the violation of any of the provisions of this Section, it shall be a defense that the casino operator, employee, dealer, or other person had a reasonable factual basis to believe and in good faith believed the person was twenty-one years old or over.
Louisiana has an 18 year age limit on bingo, but not on charity raffles: Maine has one of the weakest regulatory schemes for its State Lottery. Tickets may not be sold to anyone under 18, but may be bought by adults as gifts for minors.
The minor who buys illegally is subject to no punishment. In addition, there is no penalty for unintentionally selling to a minor.
Maine Revised Statutes tit. Off-track betting facilities are open to children under age 16 when accompanied by a parent, legal guardian, or custodian.
A person under the age of 18 is not only prohibited from participating in a parimutuel pool, but may not come within 15 feet of a betting window or other place for accepting wagers. No one under the age of 16 years is permitted to take part in the conduct of, nor participate in, the game of beano or bingo, nor shall such minor be admitted to the playing area unless accompanied by parent, guardian or other responsible person.
Charities can operate low limit "games of chance" limited dice and card games, including blackjack and up to five "electronic video machine," but not roulette or slot machines. Players and employees are limited to persons 16 and over; although minors under 16 years may sell chances "in relation to charitable, religious or recognized youth associations. The state follows most other states with state lotteries, in requiring that no ticket be sold to a person the seller knows is under 18, while allowing adults to buy tickets for minors as gifts.
Lottery sellers must be at least Charities used to be able to operate slot machines in some counties. Now they are limited to a few dice games and card games, including blackjack. Maryland Statutes, Code of , art. The state legislature has passed specific statutes for individual counties rather than a single law covering the entire state, and some statutes explicitly allow year-olds to play bingo. Maryland Criminal Law Code art. The state follows many other states in requiring that no ticket be sold to a person the seller knows is under 18, while allowing adults to buy tickets for minors as gifts.
Massachusetts General Laws ch. Massachusetts does not even allow minors those under age 18 to attend its horse and dog races, let alone make bets. But the penalties are very small. In Massachusetts, bingo is called beano. State law requires "that no person under 18 years of age shall be permitted in that portion of any building or premises of the licensee during such time as such game is being played.
Political negotiations are continuing to allow an Indian tribe to own a casino, with a minimum gambling age of 21, and for horse and dog tracks would get slots; but, so far the Legislature has not passed the necessary legislation. It is a misdemeanor to knowingly sell, or offer to sell, a lottery ticket to anyone under Although tickets may not be sold to minors, an adult may buy one as a gift for someone under State law also requires a person to be at least 18 in order to acquire a lottery resale license.
House Bill was introduced in Michigan on May 23, , to raise the minimum age to 21 to purchase or receive a lottery ticket. A bill is pending to raise the age here as well. Commercial casinos in Detroit appear to have a minimum gaming age of High-stakes tribal Indian casinos throughout the state appear to be mostly 18, but not necessarily because year olds are a large market. For example, in July, , the Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians lowered the gambling age from 21 to 18, as it was allowed to do under its tribal-state compact, at the request of parents who wanted their young adult children to be able to attend concerts in the casino.
The biggest problem now is keeping those under 21 from drinking. Charities are also allowed to run "millionaire parties," i. Charity game tickets may not be sold to anyone under However, like lottery tickets, adults may buy charity pull-tabs for minors as gifts.
Minnesota almost joined Arizona as only the second state to have a comprehensive plan for dealing with the minimum age for gambling, but the effort failed.
The compacts allow tribes to put the minimum age at The State Legislature passed a statute mandating that Indian casinos be restricted to adults 21 and over and added that the minimum age for all other forms of legal gambling in the state also be raised from 18 to 21 if more than half the tribes agreed to that limit. The tribes, however, took this as a trick to get them to reopen compact negotiations on other matters and rejected the move to Minnesota is unusual in setting up a complex system for dealing with underage lottery players, including prohibiting minors from receiving prizes.
This would seem to preclude gifts by adults. A person under the age of 18 years may not buy nor redeem for a prize a ticket in the State Lottery. A lottery retailer may not sell and a lottery retailer or other person may not furnish or redeem for a prize a ticket in the State Lottery to any person under the age of 18 years.
The age restrictions are identical to the State Lottery. More legal full-scale Indian casinos than Atlantic City, with minimum age limits currently at No one under 18 may buy a pull-tab, tipboard ticket, paddlewheel ticket, or raffle ticket, or a chance to participate in a bingo game other than a bingo game exempt or excluded from licensing; violation is a misdemeanor.
A licensed organization or employee who allows a person under age 18 to participate in lawful gambling is guilty of a misdemeanor. Mississippi is one of the toughest states on both casinos and minors who violate the law: The underage gambler may not keep the winnings, and the casino may not use the excuse that it thought the minor was over Still no state lottery; but Mississippi is the third largest commercial casino state, after Nevada and New Jersey, with true riverboat casinos as well as dockside casinos that are technically over water but cannot move.
Charity bingo operators are given the unusual for bingo option of excluding anyone under 18, merely by posting a written notice.
The state charitable bingo law provides that no licensee shall allow anyone under 18 to play a bingo game unless accompanied by his or her parent or legal guardian. The state allows video pull-tab and video bingo machines. Tickets may not be sold to anyone under 18; however, gifts by adults to minors are permitted. No one under 21 may be licensed as a lottery game retailer. A strangely worded statute prohibits minors from " knowingly making or attempting to make any wager on any horse race.
The other possible interpretation, that the minor know that the wager was illegal, is almost never accepted by courts, due to the maxim that ignorance of the law is no excuse.