It is the responsibility of the cardholder to report any club card problems to a Player Registration representative or Slot Technician. Plus, it is more of a challenge as opposed to the pure luck game that is craps. If you are getting annoyed with other players ridiculing your play at UTH, ask them if they have ever played heads up poker, or made it to the final table. Samuel Ogden has become one of the most memorable champions in the PAPA tournaments, winning four straight competitions from in the 50 and over category. The latter do not formally ask for a commission, but will eventually require you to pay a bit higher spread prices — after all, they need to make some money off all this.
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I know for a fact Wynn has the 10x version and Mirage has the 3x. Plus, it is more of a challenge as opposed to the pure luck game that is craps.
This is a similar percentage to Spanish 21, 3-card poker, and Let It Ride. Look me up on Lasvegasadvisor. I am by no means a gambler, and have only been through casinos a few times. Have fun and teach others! Commit the 4x raising hands to memory, and the rest is easy! Did you say you never log a win? This is such a fun game that I love it so much. I have visisted casino so freguently in the past 6 months, just to play this game. Its dealrs just kept having impossible hands and killed me and everyone.
I do not place more wager on trip than ante. I also use 3x bet on certain hole cards such as pair 4,5 6. I always found it difficult to gamble but I found this game two weeks ago and played it twice and really enjoyed it. Trying to follow your rules seemed to work, sat at table for 4 plus hours holding my own. A lot longer than I ever did playing Black Jack. Did see a number of other players getting burned pretty bad. They seemed to be placing too much value on trips bet and I lead on the 4X betting.
I find it manageable with players, and if I sit on an end, its easy for me to flash my cards. Missed you at the table. Kept the cheat sheet in my pocket for reference on preflop bets. Spent a total of 24 hors at the table and won a few bucks. I finally got there yesterday Sun afternoon , and the dealer Suei told me you played with the Basic Strategy card all day and night, and did fine. I ended up perfectly even after about 4 hours of play myself. Especially in games like let it ride where an inordinate number of low cards are dealt while the face cards are buried at the bottom, and what other posters have said about the hold em games setting you up.
The starting deal for the cards in the hold em game should vary everytime by a roll of the dice, not with the player in 1st base every time. I tend to trust the games, but I wish every casino would simply cut the deck out of the shuffling machine, and deal out hands one card at a time. They really need to cut the deck. Geez, even a magician will do it. If there was any engineered-in ability to arrange the cards, it would be practically impossible to keep secret somebody along the line would leak it, or blackmail over it, or exploit it.
Still, I think the casino just needs to cut the deck out of the shuffler. I guess they think they can get a few more hands per hour if the dealer just places cards, instead of actually dealing them. Called my casino host and was told to ask before leaving the table what they have me down for. I think it happens like this….
For rating you, they only care about your average bet. So they are forced to account for all that leave the table. I know they look at me like a freak when I attempt to make sure they put it every one of my buy ins. I also try to hide as much as I can. You are only supposed to keep your own detailed records with things like date, location, table if possible, game, who you were with, etc.
You would need to report ALL the wins and loss from all locations. I just played this game the other night and it kept me going for a very long time. I am so glad that I found this table game! Steve, Spent Sun and Mon at Harrahs.
Looked for you but you must have taken time off. Played for quite a while and did pretty good. Is there any combination which would suggest to bet just 3x? A lot of times I see people miss their 4x bets, then miss their 2x bets, then finally 1x bet their monsters. I discovered this game last Spring while in Vegas for a trade show. I left some friends about As you recommend above, I skipped the trips bet and instead went very aggressive at the open. Kelly does not apply here because it is a negative E.
There is no optimal Kelly number for the game unless you are playing with an advantage, which is nigh-impossible in this game. Raising 4X does introduce tremendous variance but remember you are only betting it when you have the advantage. In that way it is similar to doubling down in blackjack. I address this issue in my latest post on session outcomes given bankroll, goals, and time. A respected advantage play author has recommended the following flop bet strategy: The board is paired and you hold a Jack or better, and there is a flush draw 4 to a flush or four to an open ended straight.
What is the effect on the house edge using this for the flop bet as opposed to your more detailed flop strategy? IMHO Stephen has done outstanding work. The difficulty has been in quickly implementing these rules at the table. While the optimal strategy shows a low house edge, I suspect the cost of errors is quite high.
I had to rearrange the information in a format that fits my own decision process while in the heat of battle. I created four or five strategy cards, that suited me, and my way of thinking about poker strategy. Simpler than it sounds. If this then do that…. I think this actually comes out to a positive expectation when counting comps. Not even a discounted rate on a room. Look me up on Las Vegas advisor if you want to compare notes.
I searched the obvious names in iTunes and came up empty. Looking for some practice on the flight from Mpls to Vegas on March 25th. The iPhone game is here: My question is, has anyone seen an different stragy for UTH , if u can see other cards that are in play, do oither readjust how they play or when they play if theri outs are alreay in play? I kow I foudn a website that talked about it, but I decidee to try out the system first see how it goes get good atit b4 I tried to accoutn for other cards in play, but now I cant seem to find the site that talks about that.
Anyone that can help woudl be great…. Practical Collusion for UTH. I had studied your work all week long leading up to my trip of destiny. The dealer was wiping me out. Ad, 7c, 10d…No way!? The Kd came on the river and I went absolutely banannas! I discovered this game a little over a year ago and I love it despite the frequent frustrations I experience playing it.
I mean how many hands can that damn machine possibly rig? After the flop if I double down [2x] on anything less than TOP PAIR I seem to lose but staying in after the river with a 10high and a pair showing on the board works more often than one might think.
Hmmmm Not knocking your strategy — actually I am glad to have found this site. From there it was downhill fast…. In about the first hours of play I had two straight flushes and many four a kinds. I have also one the Royal once last summer. Last year I saw lots of great pay-outs with straigh flushes and even Royals to others. In Jan I played for about 18 hours straight and won 5 four of kinds and several boats I agree that was just lucky.
I was playing mostly green after I had momentum and was cleaning up there that day. At the time they had a couple of machines with new ShuffleMaster hightech machines and many with the old fashioned Shufflemasters. I was on a table with the old shufflemaster. There was some scandal on the new type tester machine … I was told a few Royals were given out in one night on that machine so they shut it down or switched it out obviously a malfunctioning machine.
When I came back after the big win, all tables have the new hightech shufflemaster. I was told it can take a mixed deck and put it in order.
It has some type of imaging system and I have read there may be a wireless text messageing feature to be malipulated by the house. It is to the point, the odds cannot be right. Although I cannot prove it, I am convinced the new shuffle machines are rigged. If you play enough hands you should see some winning hands in a row since on the 2x or 4x bet regardless of you doing a trips bet , but I can predict no traction at UTH for any length of time moving foward at Winstar.
I have watched my poker friends which were regulars there all last year, stop going because they are all losing on a regular basis…including myself. It is one thing to have a bad night or even a few in a row but hours and hours everytime of no cards and the machines have to be rigged and not just me — I the whole table loses. I believe the casino is not regulated and they have somehow tweaked or tech modified these new machine to put the odds way into their favor. I have decided to go to Vegas this weekend to pay UTH there to see if there is a difference in my expericence of late.
If anyone has played UTH at Winstar and Vegas, please tell me if you experienced a difference besides the. At one local card room in Yakima Wa. Only place I know of that does that. I know they are called random shufflers, but this is what I am unsure about. A-K in each suit. Will the shuffler shuffle them identically each time. What I am getting at is, if one saw the bottom card when the dealer loads the machine will it come out at the same place each time during the play? Also, some dealers where I live do not slide the cards low to the table and if I am sitting back a bit in my chair I can sometimes see the bottom cards being put onto the felt.
As long as I am not lowering my head to try to take advantage, is this considered cheating? Since using your strategy card, I have not lost in 4 sessions. Thanks for doing the grunt work. In my latest trip to the Green Valley Ranch, I ran into a dealer who said your strategy would spell my certain demise. She claimed she had been dealing UTH since the day they installed it and that I would certainly lose following the strategy card.
She really tried to make me feel uncomfortable, but I just kept 4-betting the borderline plays and was winning them with uncommon regularity. The table was also lucky enough to share 4 queens on the board. The collusion thing definitely helps as well. I think certain betting patterns during certain swings you are in.. I plan on traveling to Winstar in Oklahoma 4 UTHE tables and unfortunately due to an agreement the tribe signed with the state or something they have to drop.
Goes to the state or the tribe but not a dropped jackpot of any kind from what I have read. Just how negatively does this affect my effective odds? But not if I am getting robbed. Never had the nerve to play the 4x that aggressively, but it worked well this past weekend Riverside, Iowa. The dealers were aghast at my play and shocked to see it work. I never thought that playing that aggressively would actually payoff. I was wondering if anyone ever did any semi-martingale bet 5, lose, bet 10, lose, bet 15?
Just came back from Vegas. Gotta admit it has swings. Key is to walk with you triple your bank roll unless you like to watch the stack go up and down. Hit quads 2 times. Always bet the min. I repeat — have a goal and walk when you reach it. So How does the dealer have an advantage? The Play bet 4x preflop, 2x flop, 1x river is heads up poker with the dealer.
The house advantage comes from the Blind bet In total, these three bets sum to a 2. Alan Just look to the right side of the page and select practice game. Stephan wrote a program for thi and Mississippi stud. I was wondering how common this mistake is and also what is the expected value of the game with this extra payout?
And 10high means a hole card? Fold kickers against scare board. Hi, love your site and it informative, just start to play UTH and use strategy on this site. Please have glossary that let newbies know what you are talking about. Really appreciated your help. I think i found a hand in the UTH practice game that gives mistaken advice.
I have 74o, and the board is KJ, of which 4 are diamonds. This is a scare board, but I have two pair. I think I should bet 1x, but the advice is to fold to scare board. At first glance, they appear to offer the same game as a live table would. However, after playing a few hands I noticed that the Blind bet does NOT pay out on a winning straight!
It starts paying at 3: So be aware of this if you come across a virtual UTH machine. Dunno how that makes up for the Blind though. On another side note, only three casinos in Reno have the game on a real table that I saw—Nugget, Peppermill, and Silver Legacy. I also like to play it for low stakes, and for practice. Thanks for the heads up about the short-pay on the straight. Is there ever a time to bet only 3 times? And if so, why do these strategy tables not reflect this?
For example, 3c 3d in hand 7h 7d Th This is really confusing…. If you raise pre-flop, always raise 4x, never 3x. Similarly, if you checked A2 preflop because you were scared, or your neighbor had a deuce , and the flop is KKQ, then you should bet your A2 because of the nut kicker. I took the basics with me to Viejas with a bankroll and walked away at Other laughed at my 4x betting, and I will admit to 3x betting when others had similar cards.
I also played trips each time, which payed out quite well. One lucky sould was playing the progressive and hit the Full house on the flop, trip queens for the rest of us. In anycase, thanks again for the help, and maybe we can plan an outing one time.
Just started playing this game two weeks ago and have used the info from this site and WoO from the start. I have yet to complete a flush at Pechanga while holding two suited cards, but i understand i have not logged substantial time at the tables yet for it to be unusual. I played at Harrahs Monday from Am until Tu.
Heard a lot of remarks about my 4 times bets and saw a lot of people lose a chance to cash in on them. One person next to me actually called me crazy. Funny part is he would never even look at his cards until after the flop. I did ok on holdem but went to Mississippi Stud and lost it. What are you, nuts? Usually play at Pechanga closer.
Went to Rincon Friday night due to reading the differences in the game play here. Played from 5pm — 10pm and quadrupled my starting bank. What was especially nice was no raising of rent by the house. I liked the single card dealing vice the pre-packed hands from the shufflemasters. Three sets of quads on my table Qs — me, Ks — 1st base, As — dealer. Three sets on table next to me dealer gots 6s, the other two went to players. No straight flushes on either table though.
Saw a lot of money left on the table by players around me. ShuffleMaster dealt tables are my nemesis! When were you at Rincon on friday?
Is it possible to have an edge against the house with this game, following your strategy in this article? Even using a collusion strategy with a full table, you can only reduce the house edge to about One thing i have noticed lately is that the dealers at Rincon seem to be used to our way of playing now.
They are certain that this style betting will make one go broke quick. Here in Berlin, Germany, they introduced the game a week ago. I was wondering about the following: Is that the correct rule? Because I never noticed that in the Java-game above where I always lost the total ante-,Play- and blind-bets… Regards, Jules. People are startled that I bet the A-4 unsuited, or the K-7 suited. Nice game and glad to find it.
Most people who play this game are playing to win the trips bet and not really caring about maximizing the play bets. They are there to try to hit a big multiplier hand.
Hey guys, went to Viejas last night and had a great session. There were 2 of us playing and we alternated straights and flushes throughout the night.
We were also lucky enough to get several full houses and I even got quads!! Once the table filled though no one else shared information and we started getting some bad hands so we left. I went from 50 to in about 3 hours of play. Also it should be noted that Viejas no longer offers progressive jackpots.
Get in around noon be there until late night. Has anyone played at Viejas lately? Since they took away the progressive jackpot and changed the table, AND the shuffler, the table has become nearly unwinnable.
I played numerous sessions with the old shuffler and had ups and downs throughout a session, but had success more often than not when using the proper betting techniques. Now, you can sit for an hour and not win a trips bet. No one the table is winning. I disagree with you Steve on that a casino would never rig a shuffler.
IDK, maybe its just luck of the draw in the seats. The machine HAS to give the house an advantage, or else it wouldnt be widely used. I wish the machine would break so they could deal by hand. Hi, I went to Harrahs a few days ago. Finally got my wife off the slots and she did quite well on UTH. Hi to Allen if you come here. I recently starting playing this game in the Chicago Area after finding it on my last day on a Vegas trip. Then I looked at wizardofodds. My friends had to drag me away from the table at Mandalay Bay in order for us to make our flight.
Fast forward 2 months. I went to Ameristar and had terrible luck. I thought this was the norm. Then I went to Potawatomi and played, and the trips odds were better, but on one of my last hands, the board was TK and I had 2 rags, so I went to throw them in and the dealer and everyone else at the table said that I was crazy and that I needed to bet the play bet, even though I was going to lose, in order to win the trips bet.
Everywhere has confirmed it to me. The pit boss told me the exact same thing. I feel like they are screwing everyone on this. They all acted like I was crazy including all the players. There are slight variances in the play between them, but the payout tables are the same across the board. Three of them pull the 5 community cards from the shuffler, then distribute already paired cards to each player and the dealer. One takes the entire deck out, cuts it then deals one card at a time to each player and the dealer twice for 2 cards each , burns a card, turns three, burns a card, turns two.
One place gets downright ugly if you touch your cards before the unused deck is in the discard box while the rest will let you look before the deck is discarded. The other two are sort of in between. The licensing agreement probably says something to that effect. Definitely try to straighten them out the next time it comes up.
Rincon is the one that has the cards hand dealt. For that reason, I prefer first base if its open just so my cards never change. Pauma has only one table. They were the place that shushed us for discussing our hands. Their stools are uncomfortable anyway sort of forward leaning so you have to continually keep yourself braced into the seat. Talked to a player that played with you at Pauma a few days ago.
Thanks Mike, do you know if Paris has it? We changed our reservation to there yesterday. Aria is pretty much right across the street in City Center, so you can go there if Paris ends up not having it. BTW, I went to Ameristar against yesterday and the payoff for trips is definitely less, only 7: I just found this site; great information.
Here are some observations:. I raise to 4x whenever it makes sense 3. Session management is key to leaving with more than you brought. The cards will change 8. Regarding this last question, I do have a question about this. A friend and I play together frequently, and split all of our winnings or losses. In other words, would you expect more of a variance or less when playing 2 spots. Stephen, I definitely agree with that collusion aspect. But what would you expect on the impact on the variance without colluding?
Right, playing twice the hands cuts the variance in half: If both hands are playing the same dealer, there is a correlation between the results in the 2 hands. Of course I always call the river and lose anyway. Has anyone come up with a good progression strategy for the ante and play bet. A positive or negatve progression could be interesting. I bump it up with either a trips bet win, or a 4x win. The dealers all know Steves method of play. They miss you Steve. I saw so many players with great cards waiting for the river.
If I could only have played their cards. It seems significantly different not to mention more complicated than yours:. Same thing people waiting with good cards until the flop. He hit a full house. Bottom line is he went broke on trip bets and I walked a winner. Not so sure about the randomness of your UTH practice game. Within ten minutes of play, the dealer was dealt two straight flushes, a four of a kind and numerous full houses and straights.
I use the java. See you at the Aria! Good luck at Aria…i love that casino…long but easy layout. Your employer which casino is it? I had never played this game before, saw the Wizard of Odds site, which linked to this one, and saw the strategy. It was all very convincing about all the computer work etc. It was a continuous downwared spiral spread out over two different tables.
For the most part, no matter what I had, the dealer had a better hand. For instance, my best pre-flop hand was JJ. I flopped a J yippee! Four clubs came and the dealer had 82 offsuit with the 2 clubs. I lost a couple of other sets to straights. If I had a big A, I would hit nothing and the dealer would pair up with their junk hand. At least three times I had a small pair either pre-flop or on the flop that made two pair, and the turn and river was 55 or 77, etc.
Dealer wins with J high or whatever. The few decent hands I had were when I tripped up with a T2, or made a straight because I had a 5 in my hand or something. This game is horrible, and the strategy is worthless. I saw where the casinos are making a killing on this game, and now I know why. That does sound like a rough time. Were you able to get info from the other players on their hands? That helps shift the odds.
The math is right. If you look at my post on possible session outcomes , your probability of losing 80 antes in hands approx. Integrate the area under the green curve from the left to the ante point.
But the sample size is, um, quite a bit more than your 3 hour jaunt through a bad run of cards. But it is very near break even, math-wise. At the end of the day it is still called gambling for a reason. Hung in and got it all back plus a few.
I still see players losing money on bets I would have made preflop. So if you get a lot of pushes and a few losses your not winning are you. So, should I bet the Trips bet?
Thanx in advance for any responses. Heading to Vegas next week and look forward to partaking this game! Example — Community cards — ten, ten, ten, king, queen My hand — four, five.
Should I play Trips? I wish I played the Trips on my last hand. Love this site as I play UTH very often at my casino. I use to play online poker, but fell in love with UTH and just play that non stop. I just have a few questions that need to be clarified. Also my new years resolution was to quit playing trips and I did that yesterday.
I won in about 1. Shipping every all in I had. Not sure if I am doing the percentages right or not. Any help would be appreciated. The returns are always stated in terms of an Ante, not the total amount of action bet. Thanks so really for a sucker bet….
Had a ten dollar table heads up and had two different guys who had no clueabout the game come sit down, and play. When two tables over is a 5 dollar minimum yet they find me. Three out of the four hands I had all ins, and because they jumped in dealer had trips 3 out of 4 times. I could of had a bigger winning session if they didnt jump in, or if I stayed but we all know if you stay long they win eventually. I agree this site is awesome with wizard of ods by far this is the best game in the casino, especially with these resources.
Just to add on to your house edge by dealer screw ups. So I won a quick just off that hand alone! I see mis-pays quite often. It depends on the dealer and the other players if any at the table if I correct the payout. Most of the time its due to the dealer either not reading their hand right missing a second pair or a straight or going down to six cards instead of stopping at five on a push. Some dealers really have a problem reading two pair hands when the kicker on the board plays.
Tonite, the players convinced the dealer they pushed with an inferior two pair hand. Unbelievable, and very awkward. All the players hold their breath until the dealer mucks the hand. Stephen, one more follow up question, which way do you go about attacking the game?
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